Keywords
Process-focused, the how of creativity
Abstract
This conversational inquiry explores the ontology of creativity through an extended dialogue between two educators at the Institute of Contemporary Music Performance. Moving beyond conventional pedagogical frameworks, the conversation grapples with fundamental questions: What is the relationship between technique and creative emergence? How does the teacher create conditions for creativity without systematizing or conceptualizing the creative process itself? What role do trust, validation, and vulnerability play in opening students to their own creative potential? Drawing on diverse philosophical and spiritual traditions--from Heidegger’s ontological inquiry to Buddhist concepts of not-knowing, from Grotowski’s via negativa to the Kabbalistic notion of tzimtzum--Julian Marshall reflects on his forty-year journey as composer, songwriter, and teacher. Through the metaphor of “sliding up” to creativity rather than approaching it head-on, Marshall articulates a pedagogy that privileges presence over methodology, questioning over certainty, and becoming over being. Central to this inquiry is the paradoxical relationship between technical mastery and creative freedom. Marshall argues that creativity happens “through technique” rather than after or beyond it--that rigorous engagement with craft creates the conditions through which something other than the predictable can emerge. Yet he remains wary of reducing this process to a teachable system, insisting that creativity retains an irreducible quality of mystery, grace, and “getting it-ness” that cannot be manufactured or guaranteed. The conversation itself enacts the ontological inquiry it describes: circular rather than linear, associative rather than logical, grappling rather than claiming. As the editor notes, “we circle into truth through stories.” This dialogue offers educators and creative practitioners not a methodology but an invitation--to remain present to the fragile, elusive nature of creativity while honoring the technical foundations that make creative emergence possible.
Recommended Citation
Marshall, Julian and Cohen, Morris (Mo)
(2025)
"Julian Marshall Interview,"
Turning Toward Being: The Journal of Ontological Inquiry in Education: Vol. 3:
Iss.
2, Article 7.
Available at:
https://rdw.rowan.edu/joie/vol3/iss2/7




